Bruce Beach Drain

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The Township of Huron-Kinloss is investigating drainage issues along Bruce Beach Rd. between Concessions 8 and 10. The Township became aware of flooding along the roadway in the fall of 2018 and has since signed a petition through the Drainage Act to investigate the issue further.

Council appointed Dietrich Engineering Ltd. under Section 4 (1)(c) of the Drainage Act to manage the Bruce Beach Rd. Drainage Project.

Dietrich Engineering Ltd has identified various drainage issues and presented a number of concepts to solve the drainage issues along Bruce Beach Rd. The Have Your Say HK website is being used to collect community feedback about the current drainage issues affecting residents.

Please take some time to familiarize yourself with the project by reading the news article below or by watching the video. We encourage you to ask questions and let us know your concerns by sharing a story.

The Township of Huron-Kinloss is investigating drainage issues along Bruce Beach Rd. between Concessions 8 and 10. The Township became aware of flooding along the roadway in the fall of 2018 and has since signed a petition through the Drainage Act to investigate the issue further.

Council appointed Dietrich Engineering Ltd. under Section 4 (1)(c) of the Drainage Act to manage the Bruce Beach Rd. Drainage Project.

Dietrich Engineering Ltd has identified various drainage issues and presented a number of concepts to solve the drainage issues along Bruce Beach Rd. The Have Your Say HK website is being used to collect community feedback about the current drainage issues affecting residents.

Please take some time to familiarize yourself with the project by reading the news article below or by watching the video. We encourage you to ask questions and let us know your concerns by sharing a story.

CLOSED: This discussion has concluded.
  • Do you mean that the HK Council as" the Petitioner" could decide to go ahead with the proposals as they stand without the consent of the property owners who would have to then pay the levy according to the Municipal Drainage Act? That's not very democratic! When are the next Municipal elections?

    gillian norton asked 20 days ago

    We will be presenting Drainage Act information in more detail at the public meeting on November 30, 2019

  • Why has there been no mention that the 98BB outlet is private? Why is there no acknowledgement that upland water draining through this property is contrary to the drainage act? All of the stormwater originates from Lake Range Road and Above. Cottages along Bruce Beach Road should not be responsible for costs associated to poor municipal storm water infrastructure originating upland of their properties furthermore, 98/97BB should not be responsible to manage this upland water runoff either. The upland storm water should be retained at source and any overflow should be diverted down public lands (Concession 8 & 10).

    MG99 asked 23 days ago

    We will address your concerns and the Drainage Act in more detail at the public meeting on November 30, 2019

  • At the Council meeting of Oct 21, 2019, Dietrich Engineering was asked whether they had studied the use of an expanded ditch on the east side of Bruce Beach Rd as a lower cost alternative to the proposed infiltration gallery. They responded that they had, and that they would make the information about this option available. When and how will this information be made available? Al Cottage 136

    Al asked 27 days ago

    We will be presenting design information in more detail at the public meeting on November 30, 2019.  

  • The proposed infiltration unit along Bruce Beach Road from cottage 137 to 150 is a solution way beyond necessity to solve the minor flooding that occurs each Spring from a questionable drain on Highland Drive. What action needs to be taken to stop this proposal from ever happening? David 144

    davidwest144 asked 23 days ago

    We will be presenting more detailed information on the Drainage Act and the design details at the public meeting on November 30, 2019

  • Why have the consultants not offered any solutions for the ponding and flooding of properties that occurs between #136 and # 99 and #97 to #88?( See picture of Flooding at 120 Bruce Beach Rd.) Owners have repeatedly asked for a ditch (low cost, low tech) on the east side of Bruce Beach Rd to address the ponding and flooding.

    Joan123 asked 20 days ago

    We will be presenting design information in more detail at the public meeting on November 30, 2019

  • Huge Volumes of water from the Lake Range Rd East and West sides drains into the Gully above the #98 Outlet. The ditches here are filled 1 meter wide and 8 to 12 inches deep during rain events. All properties on lake range are graded and sloped downward towards the ditches. Did the modelling for the SWM plan for intake capture of all the drainage from either side of Lake Range Road between the 10th and 8th in addition to the 200 acres of farmland?

    Joan123 asked 20 days ago

    We will be presenting design information in more detail at the public meeting on November 30, 2019

  • The Bruce Beach Ravine/ Gully above #98 outlet is an ecologically sensitive area that has been severely damaged since HK has used this ravine/gully to drain and manage the stormwater of 200 acres of agricultural land as well as all of Lake Range Road stormwater. Why has HK not asked for an Environmental Appraisal of the Bruce Beach Gully above #98 outlet? We would request HK seek an Environmental Appraisal as the Drainage Act provides for this.

    Joan123 asked 20 days ago

    We will be presenting design information in more detail at the public meeting on November 30, 2019

  • Why has Huron Kinloss Council and Dietrich Engineering the Consultant not measured the 12 Guiding Principles submitted by local Bruce Beach owners and submitted to Dietrich Engineering by Council. These key stakeholders who submitted the Principles represent over 61 property owners, all owners on Bruce Beach Rd between Highland Drive and Concession 8.

    Joan123 asked 20 days ago

    On December 3, 2018, Council received the guiding principles submitted by local Bruce Beach property owners and directed staff to forward them to the Engineer for information. This along with all comments and input provided by land owners are being considered. 


  • Since the meeting on Nov 30th is for Dietrich to explain their proposals and the proposed cost estimates I want to know HOW the decision to proceed or NOT will be made, by WHOM and how much input the property owners will have?

    gillian norton asked 20 days ago

    Throughout the project the property owners have been given an opportunity to provide comments and suggestions on a solution for the drainage problem in Bruce Beach.  All input is being considered.  As per the Drainage Act, the petitioner is the only one that can remove their name from the petition and halt the project, in this case the petitioner is the Township of Huron-Kinloss. 


  • 1. Does the asphalt over the Infiltration Gallery in the cross-section drawing mean that the road will become asphalt covered where the Gallery is to be installed, between Cottages 137 and 150 Bruce Beach Road? Is this asphalt part of the estimated project cost? Will the rest of the road going south remain gravel? Is the asphalt a necessary part of installation because gravel is not strong enough to protect the Gallery? 2. What time of year would installation take place and how long would it last? Would cottage access be reduced or eliminated during construction? 3. How would maintenance of the Infiltration Gallery be done? Would asphalt have to be broken up? What is estimated frequency and cost of maintenance, and how would costs be allocated? 4. Would the final cost assessment to each property be calculated based on road footage or some other criterion? Would we get details of how costs are allotted? 5. Does the Infiltration Gallery not seem like an overly complicated, costly, disruptive, and uncertain solution to relatively minor short-term spring flooding problem that is of little concern to many of us summer-only Bruce Beach residents who never experience it first-hand? How many residents actually complained about this flooding? Are these residents from the area of highest allotted costs, between 137 and 150 Bruce Beach Road? 6. Our estimated assessment of $2,900-$4,300 for the Infiltration Gallery is startling for something we do not want. Plus there likely will be on-going maintenance costs, and it may not even work properly. All the reactions viewed on this website seem negative to us. Should not approval for this large contentious project be put to a vote of all those assessed for its costs before any action is taken? 7. Would it not make sense to try something much simpler at first, such as just lengthening and deepening the trial ditch that is there now? Judging by the reported small flooding last spring, the trial ditch may already have reduced the problem somewhat by improving seepage into the ground. Such small actions should be included under road maintenance for which we pay large taxes. 8. Why is it that meetings, presentation, etc. regarding issues that largely and often solely affect Bruce Beach summer-only residents are often held in the off-season when we are not available without great inconvenience?

    22 days ago

    • Does this mean that the road will become asphalt covered where the Infiltration Gallery is installed? – The presentation previously presented suggests asphalt over the infiltration gallery for ease of maintaining the road.
    • Is this asphalt part of the project cost? – Yes, and assessed to the Township.
    • Will the rest of the road going south remain gravel? – we do not propose resurfacing the rest of the road.
    • What time of year would installation take place and how long would it last? – On the current timeline, and without surprises, we could anticipate construction in 2020, with the summer being the earliest possible start time.  The length of time for construction is dependent on the Contractor.
    • Would cottage access be reduced or eliminated during construction? – Cottage access would be reduced, however we expect only for short intervals.
    • How would maintenance of the Infiltration Gallery be done?  What estimated frequency and cost of maintenance, and how would costs be allocated? – Maintenance would be done be sucking out sediment using a vac truck at manhole locations.  The manufacturer of the product recommends that maintenance needs should be monitored periodically, but they expect on a system like this that maintenance would be on a 5 to 10 year cycle.  Costs would be minimal.  Costs would be shared between the Township and the community.
    • Would the final cost assessment to each property be calculated based on road footage or some other criterion? – Assessment of costs will be discussed in more detail at the next public meeting.
    • Can you provide a spreadsheet showing how the numbers are generated, or an explanation of the method used? – Assessment of costs will be discussed in more detail at the next public meeting.  Handouts will be provided.
    • Does the Infiltration Gallery not seem like an overly complicated, costly, disruptive, and uncertain solution to an annoying but relatively minor short-term problem? – Consideration must be given to the safety of the road, the needs & priorities of the community, the real estate constraints of the site. 
    • Would it not make sense to try something much simpler at first, such as lengthening and deepening the trial ditch that is there now? – This design option (along with variations) is being reviewed.
    • Why is it that meetings, presentation, etc. held in the off-season? A project under the Drainage Act does take time to follow the legislation.  The date was chosen in order to keep the project moving.  Please see Report DRAIN2019-11-17 that was presented to Council on November 4, 2019.  As noted in the report, if the public meeting was delayed until the spring, construction of the project could not begin any earlier than 2021. There are many property owners that are greatly affected by the water and have encouraged Council to provide a solution to the water issue in a timely manner. 

  • Re October 21st presentation. The North Bruce Beach Rd. Infiltration Gallery is projected to cost $576,700.00. Last Spring the Township dug a 3 to 4 foot ditch on the East side of Bruce Beach Rd. in the area of the flooding problem. This short ditch went a long way to preventing flooding. Why not dig a ditch on the West side of Bruce Beach Rd? The water collected will quickly infiltrate the ground into the water table. This would cost considerably less than the $576,700.00 projected.

    Brian asked about 1 month ago

    We are currently assessing the effectiveness of a design scenario similar to this. 


  • The road washout near cottages 97/98 that sparked this needed investigation. was due to a large rain event over a short period of time. There would not have been a washout if branches/debris hadn't plugged up the culvert causing the water to seek a different route to the lake. There are other culverts along the lakeshore that night that are the same size culvert as the one in the problem area. The only reason they didn't washout was because no debris plugged them. The problem will never occur again if branches/debris is cleaned out of the gully which would cost far less than projected $500,000.00 plus cost. Why not simply clean out the gully periodically?

    Brian asked about 1 month ago

    Stabilization of the gully will be a gigantic undertaking.  We recommend attenuating the flows before they pass through the gully to greatly reduce the shear stresses the gully is currently experiencing.

  • Contributions to the two projects are supposed to be based on contribution to the problem (water flowing off property) and/or benefits from completion of the project. The preliminary Estimated Assessments shows wild swings in possible assessments. For example cottage # 135 is projected to pay up to $1,000.00, while steps away cottage 136 is projected to pay up to $4,300.00. Since neither property could possibly contribute any water to the problem these projected assessments must be based on benefits. How can one property's benefit be worth 4 times his/her neighbours' benefit?

    Brian asked about 1 month ago

    We will be presenting assessment information in more detail at the public meeting on November 30, 2019


  • The Have your Say website states that questions and comments will only be received until Nov 22. Now that the public meeting date has been set for November 30th, could you extend the comment period until the public meeting? If you are allowing comments at the meeting, why not allow them up until the meeting? There will be property owners who aren't aware of this meeting (notices have not arrived yet), and are unable to attend the meeting at this time of year, who will need access to Have Your Say for comments beyond Nov 22nd. Al Cottage 136

    Al asked 25 days ago

    Hi Al

    We decided to close the comments section on November 22, 2019 to allow all staff and the Engineer time to compile and prepare and address the comments at the November 30, 2019 meeting.


  • Questions Received from user gillian norton on November 12th: 1. Was an engineering study carried out before Highland Drive was paved and the drainage patterns altered? If so, was this made public? 2. Who paid for the Highland Drive project: the township or a levy on householders plus the township? 3. Was Saugeen Valley Conservation Authority (SVCA) consulted before this work was carried out? If so were their recommendations taken into account? 4. Has SVCA been consulted by Dietrich Engineering during preparation of their recommendations for the Bruce Beach drain? If so, what are their recommendations 5. Was the change to drainage patterns considered when the building permits were issued for new builds on Highland Drive? 6. Has Dietrich Engineering investigated the feasibility of construction of a French drain on the east side of Bruce Beach Rd from Cottage 150 -134 ? Have the costs for this work been estimated? Will this be made public? Will the Council take this option into account? 7. Why was the public meeting arranged for November 30th ? This date is when very few of the property owners, including us, will be able to attend to add our comments. This is unacceptable. The meeting should be rearranged for the end of May in order to allow maximum input from the affected property owners. 8. Who will make the final decision to go ahead or not? How will the decision be made?

    29 days ago

    Thanks for your questions, we are working on a response. 

  • I am very concerned about the potential cost to build and maintain this drain and how these costs will be applied to our property considering the fact that the problem identified seems (to me at least) to be closely linked to the installation of drainage tile on two very large parcels of farm land on the east side of Lake Range Drive. Since the municipality is tracking the costs of the planning, engineering, etc. associated with this project, is it reasonable to ask that the cumulative costs be revealed on say a quarterly basis along with the proposed assessments of these costs to the various landowners deemed by the municipality to be beneficiaries? This way, those proposed to be assessed would have at least some indication of the methodology and impact on their taxes as the costs mount.

    Grubb786 asked 6 months ago

    Drains constructed under the Drainage Act are user pay systems. This means that landowners that benefit from the construction of the drainage system, or own land which contributes runoff to the drainage system will contribute a portion of the costs towards the design, construction and maintenance of the municipal drain.

    Once the final concept is established, a meeting will be held where the Engineer will present a preliminary report (tentative late summer/fall 2019) where a draft assessment schedule will be provided.  A Notice of Meeting will be mailed to all property owners within the watershed. 


  • Why has Dietrich Engineers not added Water Quality to the guiding principles as requested at his presentation? This is principle is important to our community & to the Lake Huron environment since the Maitland Valley Research Study on Gullies showed it is the Phosporous from the soil in the gullies that is picked up by the water that is causing the Algae and pollution on Bruce Beach. Can Water Quality please be added as a Guiding Principle for this project to any future presentation or information ?

    Joan123 asked 8 months ago

    Water quality is a consideration when designing new projects under the Drainage Act.  Two of the concepts presented do include water quality components as part of their integral function. 


  • As a property owner who uses the property only seasonally, my obvious concern is how much the final solution is going to cost and who pays for it.

    Roderick MacDonald asked 8 months ago

    All Landowners within the watershed that will benefit from the proposed drain will contribute a portion of the costs of the project. We are currently conducting field investigations and working out details for a recommended design. Once the field investigations and details for a recommended design are available, costing will be determined.


  • In relation to Concept 5 which would involve installation of a new infiltration gallery along Bruce Beach Road in the road allowance: would this necessitate straightening the road southward from Highland Drive? I understand that the easterly border of the road allowance in that area is VERY close to the road itself. If the road were straightened along that stretch from cottages 140 - 151, it would allow space for this gallery. This is the section where the most significant flooding occurs every spring, flooding down the hill, over the road, and onto private cottage yards. I am not sure just what an infiltration gallery is and whether it requires a drain into the lake at some point. Please explain the difference between a municipal drain, a municipal storm sewer, and an infiltration gallery.

    Louise asked 8 months ago

    Great question, we need a bit more time to provide your requested information.

    At this point we are investigating the Concepts and what would be involved.  Once we have a recommended design we will know more about each Concept and will be able to provide further details.

    Update

    A Municipal Drain is constructed under the Drainage Act, landowners that benefit from the construction of the drainage system, or own land which contributes runoff to the drainage system will contribute a portion of the costs towards the design, construction and maintenance of the municipal drain.

    A Municipal Storm Drain is a system constructed by the Municipality and is a capital project funded by the general tax base.


  • In the NEWS FEED under the heading - Have We Been Down This Road Already - a paragraph reads: "This material (design, cost estimates & assessments) was presented at an information meeting held on September 5, 2009. Subsequent to the meeting, the Council instructed the Director of Public Works to withdraw his name from the petition. The petition became invalid, and the project ended." What was the referenced petition and why did it become invalid?

    davidwest144 asked 8 months ago

    On June 15th, 2009 a resolution was passed by Township of Huron-Kinloss Council to proceed with the Bruce Beach Municipal Drain process; however this process was stopped on February 12th 2010 as there was a lack of interest by the majority of residents for any improvements.  


  • Will the property owners be expected to pay the cost of ditch construction beside the road if this is found to be a viable solution to the flooding issue?

    Brian asked 8 months ago

    Once we have a recommended design we will know more, stay tuned we will update the site when new information becomes available. 

  • If the creation of a Water Detention Area (#4) is seen as a solution who will pay for the work to be done? Since virtually all the water in the gullies is coming from the farm drainage tile systems will they be expected to pay the entire cost?

    Brian asked 8 months ago

    Drains constructed under the Drainage Act are user pay systems. This means that landowners that benefit from the construction of the drainage system, or own land which contributes runoff to the drainage system will contribute a portion of the costs towards the design, construction and maintenance of the municipal drain.


  • If ditches at the side of the road is decided to be a viable solution to the Spring flooding near Highland Dr, who will pay for the work?

    Brian asked 8 months ago

    Once we have a recommended design we will know more about the costing.  


  • If Concept #4 is seen to be a solution for the vast quantities of water running through the gullies into the lake will adjacent property owners have to foot the bill, or will the farm owners where the water originated from be required to pay for the work?

    Brian asked 8 months ago

    Landowners within the watershed that will benefit from the proposed drain will contribute a portion of the costs of the project.  This also means that landowners which do not benefit, but still own property which produces runoff that eventually uses the drainage system will also contribute a portion of the costs of the project.


  • Assuming the soils are suitable for infiltration, what would one expect the cost differential between Concept 1b and Concept 5 to be?

    davidwest144 asked 8 months ago

    Once we have a recommended design we will  know more about the costing differences.  All updates will be provided on this site, please stay tuned.  

  • Have the costs for the various concepts proposed by Dietrich Engineering been made public yet? Why is the public consultation period so short? Most properties along Bruce Beach Rd are seasonal and many people may not be aware of what is proposed by May 4th.

    gillian norton asked 8 months ago

    Costs will be provided once further investigations are completed. All property owners within the watershed have been mailed an information letter on the “Have your Say” project website.  This will allow the public to stay informed wherever they may be 24/7. 


  • In Concept 5, can cottage owners be assured that the flow route of the infiltrating water would not affect cottage basements?

    davidwest144 asked 8 months ago

    Thank-you for your question.  We are currently conducting further investigations on the concepts, we won’t have specific details until further into the project.  Our goal is to find a suitable solution for the drainage problems, not create anything new. 


  • When will costing be available as it relates to specifics of any special levy the municipality intends to put on property owners in the area?

    Grubb786 asked 8 months ago

    Thank-you for your question.  We are currently conducting field investigations and working out details for a recommended design.  Until this is completed we will not have any costing details available.